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After years of unprecedented growth, experts agree that the UK housing market has slowed down in recent months. On the back of this, a number of win a house competitions have emerged online, with some notable successes in terms of selling tickets to the public. The traditional way: Selling your homeMost people will already be familiar with the process and costs involved in selling a UK property. Although most of these costs can vary depending on the service provider and the value of the property, we have made certain reasonable assumptions. Organising a win a property prize competitionFor our hypothetical competition, we have fixed the price of each ticket at £20. In order to cover the costs below, we have set the number of tickets for sale at 28,750, generating a turnover of £575,000. This corresponds to selling 15% more tickets than would be required to raise £500,000 exactly to pay for the home (excluding any expenses). Value Added Tax (VAT): Depending on who is running the competition and where tickets are sold, 15% VAT may be added to the price of each ticket. Some organisers have set up a company for the purpose of running the competition, which may provide benefits from an administrative and tax perspective, depending on the types of costs incurred. However, if a property competition is run purely for personal gain, it may be possible to avoid charging VAT, thus reducing the price of each ticket by 15%. As we are considering the property competition is run for personal profit (as opposed to a competition run by a company), we have not assumed any VAT in our calculations. Profit earned:
Taking a flexible approachOverall, it does appear that running a prize competition as an alternative way to sell a property can be viable from a financial perspective – if organised correctly. Of course, this is only true if the promoter succeeds in selling all the tickets as intended and does not encounter any legal hurdles along the way, as was the case for the Oldborough competition. Beyond the numbersAlthough a financial comparison is useful, it only paints part of the picture. In current market conditions, there are a number of other reasons that could help explain why property competitions, sweepstakes and raffles have recently become more appealing. Have you run a win a property competition? How did it work out for you? Please feel free share your experiences in the comments.
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Hits: 2958 Comments & Opinions16 comments so far, what say you? Subscribe to this comment's feedRe: Costs of running a win a house competition vs. selling your property Estate agency fees have definitely fallen over recent months. I saw one agency doing a half-price sale in January. Still, if you can attract enough attention to your competition, you might be able pull it off - as long as it's legal ![]() Re: Costs of running a win a house competition vs. selling your property It's interesting, most players didn't mind having a go when the Devon property was launched. Now that they've faced legal issues, I've seen lots of people complaining about the 'admin costs' some of these competition organisers are charging (e.g. 35% for the Devon fishing comp). Seems to me, if you think they're selling too many tickets, then you don't need to enter. There's enough choice out there for you to find another competition where you think the odds are fairer. Am I missing something? Re: Costs of running a win a house competition vs. selling your property @ chocolate sunday, I kind of agree with you. It's true that some people have been saying some pretty nasty stuff on some forums. I don't think it's always called for. At the same time, it's up to the organisers to make sure their comp doesn't come across as a scheme designed to make them lots of money at the players' expense. As long as it's reasonable, people shoudn't mind and after all, the wilshaws sold 46K tickets so those people didn't mind did they? Re: Costs of running a win a house competition vs. selling your property @ alan sugar People often underestimate the costs involved in running a successful house competition, particularly when it comes to legal and marketing fees. The relationship between the costs incurred and tickets sold doesn't always follow, in that a bulk of expenses are generated upon setting up the competition. Although some people have noted in forums that even if tickets don't sell out completely, T&Cs often indicate that a portion of proceeds will be used to cover administrative costs; this is not entirely surprising given the nature of some of these expenses. As long as players understand the context of these costs, there is a better chance they will acknowledge that they are essential to the running of the competition itself. Re: Costs of running a win a house competition vs. selling your property Hi there Win a House. I believe you need to include 15% VAT on top of the sales on tickets, even if it is for the sale of a house as it is calculated as the sale of a ticket. I don't see a VAT number published anywhere on your site. Please clarify your status on VAT for the sale of tickets. Re: Costs of running a win a house competition vs. selling your property @ Stephan Hi Stephan, I should mention that while Win a House is an information resource on property competitions, we don't actually run any house prize competitions ourselves. I hope this explains why we don't currently publish any VAT number on this site. We understand that the treatment of VAT may differ depending on whether you are running a competition as a company or for private gain. You're certainly right in highlighting this as an important issue to keep in mind if you want to run your own property competition. As a point of reference, you may find the following link useful: http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsPortalWebApp/channelsPortalWebApp.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=pageLibrary_ShowContent&id=HMCE_CL_000278&propertyType=document#P78_6890 It points towards the Betting and Gaming section on the HMRC website. Beyond this, I'm afraid we are not in a position to offer advice on VAT. However, we would welcome any further thoughts from people on this topic. Re: Costs of running a win a house competition vs. selling your property Dear Win-House, my research shows that the difference is whether it is a game of skill or or chance is the distinguishing factor. It appears that games of chance are the ones that the Gaming Comission takes issue with, and have stopped the various sites from running those competitions that did not meet the standards for a game of skill. Hence sudoku, lots of questions of a hard nature, or spot the ball (when decided by a panel of judges, not when identifying where the ball was) are some of the ways used to be a game of skill. Once that is established VAT is definitely payable. I had this confirmed by the VAT office. So any competitions not charging VAT will risk falling foul of the Inland Revenue - something to be very careful of.... This text was taken from the HMRC web site too:- 2.8 to the decision of a panel of judges is a game of skill. The supply of the right to play games of skill is standard-rated. Re: Costs of running a win a house competition vs. selling your property @ Simon Hi Simon, many thanks for these points. This is very helpful to clarify the VAT treatment for prize competitions, especially since you were able to address them directly with the VAT office. Although I would reiterate that we don't feel qualified to offer any advice on VAT, we did pick up on a couple of other factors to consider when looking at VAT in the context of running a house competition. Rather than attempting to provide a definitive answer on this question, we offer up these points as part of the general discussion. As a word of caution, this is purely based on a summary glance at the HMRC guidelines, without checking these points with the VAT office ourselves. It seems to us that in some cases, people may not be required to register for VAT at all. On the one hand, it may not be necessary to register for VAT if the value of the tickets you are selling is below the VAT registration threshold (currently set at £67,000). Admittedly, we expect this threshold to be breached in most cases given the valuation of the properties involved. In addition, we understand it may not be compulsory to register for VAT if one is not considered to be "in business". It seems to that what defines being "in business" can depend on whether a house competition is run by a company, versus being run purely for private gain. According to this section taken from the HMRC website; if the activity is not seen as a continuing activity; is viewed as a hobby; or carried out in a purely private capacity (such as selling personal belongings), this may not be considered as being "in business". Should someone run a house competition to give away their own home (valued at more than £67,000) - with no intention of running any future competitions; are they still required to register for VAT? We're not sure, but we would welcome your thoughts on this question. 2.10 Applying for voluntary registration if you make taxable supplies You may only register when you are in business. Generally business is seen as a continuing activity carried on with the intention of making supplies for a consideration. Non-business activities can include those carried on as a hobby or supplies made in a purely private capacity (for example the sale of personal belongings). The terms business and non-business are explained in greater detail in Notice 700 The VAT Guide. Re: Costs of running a win a house competition vs. selling your property A good point about the value of the sales, but my opinion (and I did not qualify this point with the VAT office) would be that what you supply is an entry to a competition. I don't think that can be considered personal goods, regardless of the intention. The buyer has paid for an entry as per the terms and conditions, and you are running a competition, hence the supply is of a taxable nature. The only way to be 100% sure sure will be to check it with the VAT office. Re: shopper @ Eamon, Thanks for your comment. As a competition organiser, this is an important consideration to set the price of tickets and the number of tickets to be sold. In order to achieve enough sales to afford to give away their property as intended and avoid any surprises along the way, competition organisers need to budget for all possible costs ahead of time. In turn, this has a direct impact on the attractiveness of the competition in the eyes of potential players. RE: number of tickets sold @ riviera I think it all depends what you have provided for in your terms and conditions, which constitute your contract with the player. From what we have seen in the UK, competition organisers will generally include a provision under which, part of the collected funds are paid out to the competition winner, with another part covering some of the expenses involved in running the competition. number of tickets sold Thanks for your answer. I understand that from the sale of the tickets most of the costs for the competion are covered. So if I understood you right, if only a few tickest are sold and not the total amount, the wiinner does not win the house but get part of the collected funds from the ticket sale ?And that needs to be written in the rules ? RE: number of tickets sold @ riviera The majority of win a house competitions are structured in this way in the UK. Should the number of tickets sold fall below the targeted amount by the end of the competition, a winner is still designated in the same way and handed a cash prize instead. While players will understand that a portion of the prize fund needs to be allocated to cover administrative expenses, it is essential to clarify exactly what the winner will receive in this scenario in the terms and conditions. While this helps protect the competition organiser in not having to potentially give away the property prize at a loss, it also ensures that players know exactly what to expect. You will find that many players will look for this information in the T&Cs before deciding whether to enter a house competition or not. |






